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Or when you do, see or hear something? When do you miss Michael the most?

[magic]

I loved being a fan. I loved meeting new ppl around the world. It wasn't just the songs. It was the feeling and exciting that a new material and a new pic is giving.

I wrote this in some other thread and my post gave me this question of hat are your moments when you miss Michael the most.

My friend is a fan of one group. She is often traveling around Europe to go to some of the concerts they are performing. She is telling me a lot about how she can't wait for the concerts and about her experience in the concerts. It makes me to be happy for her that she has this chances. It also makes me jealous that she canhave these chances. And it's painful for me cause I know I will never been able to feel that way again. Something that was taken away from me and from the rest of the fans - hope of excitement of seeing your idol in concert, in news or in picture. She is literally telling me things that I don't have, that I can't have. Going to Metallica or to Brian Adams is not the same feelings and excitement of the waiting or experiencing. In those moments I miss Michael the most. Cause of the feelings of his presence he could give.

Of course I miss when I listen or watch Michael but it mostly makes me sad to know he is no more.

While listening for Man In The Mirror with fans in 25th June, I was missing the man who could really try to heal the world.

When I see fans fighting I miss Michael who would united ppl.

And I miss Michael when I cry, about whatever I cry in that moment.

[Sharon007]

I missed Michael a lot during the week leading up to the 25th. A feeling of depression hit me and on the 25th I wasnt feeling too good at all. My mind was full of sadness . There was one point where I was at the train station waiting to meet with MJ fans and I was nearly going to meet my bf instead because I thought I would be happier to spend the day with him. But then I thought I would meet the fans. Glad I did because it was better for me to spend time with fans that day.

[magic]

You remionded me of 25th June. Somehow I take it offensive for fans to not appear in events like 25th June and 29th August, For me it just seems that they don't care about Michael or about other fans. It was sad to see that only 5 fans came in 25th June this year. Instead of sending this with fans and remembering Michael they have choose some other things to do that apperantly were more important.

[Sharon007]

I dont like when someone says they will come and dont turn up. I cant understand that. I also missed Michael when I was in London recently because being there reminded me of him and going to MJ events. Wether it was a fan party or going to his hotel in the hope of catching a glimpse of him.

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magic, on 15 July 2011 - 09:26 PM, said:

You remionded me of 25th June. Somehow I take it offensive for fans to not appear in events like 25th June and 29th August, For me it just seems that they don't care about Michael or about other fans. It was sad to see that only 5 fans came in 25th June this year. Instead of sending this with fans and remembering Michael they have choose some other things to do that apperantly were more important.

I don't really understand this.
There has been around 50 birthdays and we never really celebrated any of them together.
Now it's offensive not to celebrate them.
Being a fan doesn't mean the birthdays are something to celebrate.
Getting together with other fans can happen on all days.

I also don't understand why everything should be so sad now. It's much better to be glad and celebrate.

Also about everything you missed about concerts. Michael was almost forced to do this is it. So this couldn't give the same excitement as other concert.
And we all knew it would be the last. So being so sad about not being able to go to concerts is not understandable.
If Michael wasn't broke, then probably he wouldn't even think of doing the shows.

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I don't really understand this.
There has been around 50 birthdays and we never really celebrated any of them together.
Now it's offensive not to celebrate them.

I have been celebrating Michael's birthday every year. And I've also been making small parties or cometogether for fans I know. It's the old fans who doesn't come to celebrate it. And I don't really talk about birthdays cause the last birthday around 40 fans came around. I am taling about 25th June. If ppl don't want to come in the date when an event is organized then why they should come in any other day? And then they wonder why there is not more events organized. Well, do they come to all events anyway?

The last birthday was great though. It surprised me. Although only 2 old fans came around but there were many new fans who found the time for other fans.

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If Michael wasn't broke, then probably he wouldn't even think of doing the shows.

I don't really buy stories about him being broke. I don't believe that.

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magic, on 17 July 2011 - 09:47 PM, said:

I have been celebrating Michael's birthday every year. And I've also been making small parties or cometogether for fans I know. It's the old fans who doesn't come to celebrate it. And I don't really talk about birthdays cause the last birthday around 40 fans came around. I am taling about 25th June. If ppl don't want to come in the date when an event is organized then why they should come in any other day? And then they wonder why there is not more events organized. Well, do they come to all events anyway?

The last birthday was great though. It surprised me. Although only 2 old fans came around but there were many new fans who found the time for other fans.

Yes, probably you have done something local. I have also had cakes with some friends. But usually nothing big. And usually it's not these days I would go to other countries.

It's more like to bigger events. These could still happen.
I don't really believe in local events. Not many people go to these.

magic, on 17 July 2011 - 09:47 PM, said:

I don't really buy stories about him being broke. I don't believe that.

This is a problem with many fans. They think Michael was a god and couldn't do anything bad.
But they needs to see the facts too.
Michael was very much broke. Why else would he sell his ranch?
Why didn't he pay his workers?
There is lots of facts about him being broke.

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Yes, probably you have done something local. I have also had cakes with some friends. But usually nothing big. And usually it's not these days I would go to other countries.

It depends on what you mean with local and what you mean with big? I have made birthday party in a club and there were fans outside Riga and most of them I didn't even knew. Also for 25th June mostly came fans I didn't know and it also wasn't an event at somebody's home.

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This is a problem with many fans. They think Michael was a god and couldn't do anything bad.
But they needs to see the facts too.
Michael was very much broke. Why else would he sell his ranch?
Why didn't he pay his workers?
There is lots of facts about him being broke.

Firt, I don't understand what being bad has to do with being broke? I wouldn't categorize "broke" in as bad value. Besides, there is also facts that you probably haven't read. I don't remember the name but worker who was responsible for Michael's finanses didn't pay for Neverland. It's not Michael who is paying the wages and for the Neverland. Michael is not dealing with those kind of things. It's special ppl who deal with Michael's finanses who have to pay for different things from Michael's account of course. Instead those ppl spent money on something else rather than what they had to spend it for. Then Michael found that out and wanted to get ride of those persons. But the not payed money for Neverland was so big over the years that he needed some help so Tom Barrack said his company Colony Capital will pay for Neverland if he will agree on signing contract with his good friend from AEG for This Is It series. And it was said by very own Tom Barrack which is why this is reliable.

I wouldn't wonder if Tom Barrack and Randy Phillips set it up all for Michael to trick him into This Is It.

You know why I also don't think he wasn't bankrupt? Cause I don't think a bankrupt man could live in LasVegas, rent house in Holmby Hills which is very expensive region, pay for house in Encino and still pay his mother a monthly money. Somehow it was only Neverland.

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magic, on 17 July 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

It depends on what you mean with local and what you mean with big? I have made birthday party in a club and there were fans outside Riga and most of them I didn't even knew. Also for 25th June mostly came fans I didn't know and it also wasn't an event at somebody's home.

Of course it makes it easier when you live in the capital.
I've never even heard of a Michael party in my city.
I'm mostly talking about big parties which are held by the bigger fan clubs. Those usually gather lots of people.

magic, on 17 July 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Firt, I don't understand what being bad has to do with being broke? I wouldn't categorize "broke" in as bad value. Besides, there is also facts that you probably haven't read. I don't remember the name but worker who was responsible for Michael's finanses didn't pay for Neverland. It's not Michael who is paying the wages and for the Neverland. Michael is not dealing with those kind of things. It's special ppl who deal with Michael's finanses who have to pay for different things from Michael's account of course. Instead those ppl spent money on something else rather than what they had to spend it for. Then Michael found that out and wanted to get ride of those persons. But the not payed money for Neverland was so big over the years that he needed some help so Tom Barrack said his company Colony Capital will pay for Neverland if he will agree on signing contract with his good friend from AEG for This Is It series. And it was said by very own Tom Barrack which is why this is reliable.

I wouldn't wonder if Tom Barrack and Randy Phillips set it up all for Michael to trick him into This Is It.

You know why I also don't think he wasn't bankrupt? Cause I don't think a bankrupt man could live in LasVegas, rent house in Holmby Hills which is very expensive region, pay for house in Encino and still pay his mother a monthly money. Somehow it was only Neverland.

It's so easy to blame other people.
Even though Michael may have hired a guy to do it, it doesn't mean Michael is not to blame. He is or was still the owner.
And the people worked for Michael and not the other guys.

I also wonder how people can live in luxury and be broke at the same time, but this actually do happen a lot. People cheat and get in huge debts. Probably Michael also had hired people to handle all this. Or not probably. Of course he had.
There might still be income. But if you lay off lots of bills and only pay for what you are doing in the moment. Then at one time you need to stop. It can't work forever.

We also had this guy from Denmark who did this. He was a celebrity and he was broke. He is homeless. But he was still living in a 10 million pound apartment in london and driving the most expensive cars and having the biggest parties. He just had some nice friends. Now he is back in Denmark and he needs to stay at friends houses because he has no money and too much debt to buy anything.
These people know how to do it. Know how to buy stuff and say they will pay later. And it's a celebrity so people usually don't hold back.

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Of course it makes it easier when you live in the capital.
I've never even heard of a Michael party in my city.
I'm mostly talking about big parties which are held by the bigger fan clubs. Those usually gather lots of people.

See, I am not a big fanclub. I was only talking about my events I make in clubs and other things. My loud opinion is if they don't care of shoing up choosing some other things over Michael, then apperantly they don't really care for other fans and events. And then they ask when I will make another event. There are some ppl (who also live in Riga) who are asking me about events but in the same time they never show up. There has been like 3-4 events in past years and I have never seen them.

Those events are so rare and it's rare we can celebrate Michael. Is it really that hard to show up if somebody is organizing it?

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It's so easy to blame other people.
Even though Michael may have hired a guy to do it, it doesn't mean Michael is not to blame. He is or was still the owner.
And the people worked for Michael and not the other guys.

If there are ppl who lie to Michael or hide the truth then Michael is not to blame. The same I also would tell for any other person.

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magic, on 17 July 2011 - 11:22 PM, said:

See, I am not a big fanclub. I was only talking about my events I make in clubs and other things. My loud opinion is if they don't care of shoing up choosing some other things over Michael, then apperantly they don't really care for other fans and events. And then they ask when I will make another event. There are some ppl (who also live in Riga) who are asking me about events but in the same time they never show up. There has been like 3-4 events in past years and I have never seen them.

Those events are so rare and it's rare we can celebrate Michael. Is it really that hard to show up if somebody is organizing it?

No matter how rare events are, then some people can't make it. Even I would like to know about events even though the chance of me showing up to a small event is slim to none.

magic, on 17 July 2011 - 11:22 PM, said:

If there are ppl who lie to Michael or hide the truth then Michael is not to blame. The same I also would tell for any other person.

Michael is still the boss. He is always the one to blame. He hired the people. If he can't trust them. Then again, he did his job bad.

[Sharon007]

I think Michael was rich in assets but not in cash. He sold some items to pay for debts. Neverland was too expensive to keep and it also was a bad reminder of the time the police raided it. Michael had many Yes Men around him. They got whatever he wanted even if they knew he couldnt afford it or if it was a bad business decision. Michael may have been the boss but he was given the wrong advise by the people around him.

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No matter how rare events are, then some people can't make it. Even I would like to know about events even though the chance of me showing up to a small event is slim to none.

For Latvian measures and understanding, the parties I make is not that small. Still can you exlaim if you know you will not go to the parties then why are you interested to know when and if they happen?

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Michael is still the boss. He is always the one to blame.

Not in my eyes. Everybody have decisions how they live. Michael is not responsible for other ppl decisions to steal or lie.

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magic, on 18 July 2011 - 09:57 PM, said:

For Latvian measures and understanding, the parties I make is not that small. Still can you exlaim if you know you will not go to the parties then why are you interested to know when and if they happen?

I didn't say I wouldn't go. Just that the chance is small. If I don't know about the parties, then how can I decide if I want to go?

magic, on 18 July 2011 - 09:57 PM, said:

Not in my eyes. Everybody have decisions how they live. Michael is not responsible for other ppl decisions to steal or lie.

So if I hire a guy to take care of my money and I just spend and spend. Then if I go broke, it's his fault?

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Sharon007, on 18 July 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

I think Michael was rich in assets but not in cash. He sold some items to pay for debts. Neverland was too expensive to keep and it also was a bad reminder of the time the police raided it. Michael had many Yes Men around him. They got whatever he wanted even if they knew he couldnt afford it or if it was a bad business decision. Michael may have been the boss but he was given the wrong advise by the people around him.

Yes. I could agree to most of this.

I don't think Neverland was too expensive. But probably it was stupid to pay so much rent to live in Beverly Hills.

Michael was a clever person, so of course he was aware if something was wrong.
And even if they gave him bad advices. In the end he can only blame himself.

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soap, on 19 July 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

So if I hire a guy to take care of my money and I just spend and spend. Then if I go broke, it's his fault?

I thought we were talking about Neverland which was the only thing that had financial problems. Michael is not the one who is paying for his rents and workers, ppl do it for them. If they don't pay and take money from Michael instead then yes, it's their fault.

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magic, on 19 July 2011 - 05:47 PM, said:

I thought we were talking about Neverland which was the only thing that had financial problems. Michael is not the one who is paying for his rents and workers, ppl do it for them. If they don't pay and take money from Michael instead then yes, it's their fault.

Lol. I like how funny you can be

[magic]

soap, on 19 July 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

Lol. I like how funny you can be

you have very strange understanding what funny is then

Anyway, I don't see how it is connected with the topic of the thread

[Sharon007]

soap, on 19 July 2011 - 04:03 PM, said:

Yes. I could agree to most of this.

I don't think Neverland was too expensive. But probably it was stupid to pay so much rent to live in Beverly Hills.

Michael was a clever person, so of course he was aware if something was wrong.
And even if they gave him bad advices. In the end he can only blame himself.

I thought AEG paid for that place in Beverly Hills.