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[Phantom]

have you listened to the song "My perogative" of Britney Spears?

I am almost certain that you have listened to "Privacy" of Michael Jackson

have you ever paid attention to their lyrics?

in my opinion, they have something in common

their music is very different, and the lyrics are different too, but I think that these songs express something common

in my opinion, it expresses the need that all people have, which is a little privacy about their private lives

and the celebrities have the same need

because of their profession, and their need for promotion, they need to give up a little of their privacy

but still, it shouldn't be too much, otherwise this could make them unhappy in their personal life

how do you feel about this? and what do you think about it?

I think that paparazzi, and even some fans, go too far sometimes...

of course this matter has been mentioned in many songs

I just referred to these two, because they are of my favorite, and so these were the first which came to my mind

of course you can mention more songs, if you can think of any

also remember Lady D, who also was a victim of this behaviour from paparazzi (literally a victim)

[magic]

I don't listen radio soI don't know many new songs. I don't know this Britney Spears song. But I do agree with you. Ok, ppl want to know about celebrities and it's their PR as well. But it shouldn't go too far and everyone should respect their private life as well.

[soap]

I know the songs. And the Britney song is called My Prerogative.

But I don't agree on privacy.
When you or someone else choose to become a celebrity, you do that on the cost of your privacy.
You can wish for privacy, but you can't have it. Depending of course on how popular you have become.

I agree that some fans and paparazzi go too far. But Celebrities also can go too far.
When they hire bodyguards and those bodyguards do 'anything' to protect them. Then they have gone too far.

As long as the paparazzis follow the law it's ok with me. But then again, when they don't, we don't say no to their pics. So it's kind of a 'grey zone'.

[magic]

I would be fine if there wouldn't be paparazzi pics.

[soap]

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 04:17 PM, said:

I would be fine if there wouldn't be paparazzi pics.

I'm not sure you would.
Or at least you could do it, but you might listen to some other music.
Because the tabloid has a lot to do about how popular a celebrity gets.

[magic]

I don't agree. Let's take for example Garou. Paps don't run after him, his daughter's pic are never published but I still listen his music Or another example - Metallica. Paps never have run after them but they are still one of the most popular groups in the world.

It's not about paps, it's about how well their music are. If they need paps to get famous then their music is crap and not worth listening

[Phantom]

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

If they need paps to get famous then their music is crap and not worth listening

I agree in that


and also I mentioned a case in which paparazzi went really too far

I am sure that Lady D didn't need to be hunted down by paparazzi, and eventually get killed

[Phantom]

soap, on 29 January 2011 - 03:49 PM, said:

And the Britney song is called My Prerogative.

you're right it's My Prerogative

I ate a letter

thank you

[soap]

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

I don't agree. Let's take for example Garou. Paps don't run after him, his daughter's pic are never published but I still listen his music Or another example - Metallica. Paps never have run after them but they are still one of the most popular groups in the world.

I wouldn't call Garou for popular. I've never heard about him if it wasn't for you. So you see without paps many of us will never get to know them.
But there is always exceptions.

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

It's not about paps, it's about how well their music are. If they need paps to get famous then their music is crap and not worth listening

LOL
Maybe it was like that. But it's not like that today.
Today it's more about how popular you can get. How much you can get in the news. It's not so much about making good music anymore. And there is countless examples for this

[soap]

Phantom, on 29 January 2011 - 06:19 PM, said:

I agree in that

But agree with me that today most of the artists are almost known for anything but there music

Phantom, on 29 January 2011 - 06:19 PM, said:

and also I mentioned a case in which paparazzi went really too far

I am sure that Lady D didn't need to be hunted down by paparazzi, and eventually get killed

As I remember Lady D's driver ran too fast. He shouldn't have done that.

[magic]

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I wouldn't call Garou for popular. I've never heard about him if it wasn't for you. So you see without paps many of us will never get to know them.

That's cause he is not advertised in Denmark so you don't know him. He is also not popular in Latvia. But he is popular in other countries. And also there paps doesn't run after him. As I mentioned before his daughter's pic has never been published no matter if he is popular or not it that country.

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LOL
Maybe it was like that. But it's not like that today.
Today it's more about how popular you can get. How much you can get in the news. It's not so much about making good music anymore. And there is countless examples for this

I don't know what's funny about it. But it's the reason why I don't like nowdays music. It's crap and it gets popular just cause singer is shocked or dragged all over tabloids. For me it's about music, for the rest of ppl it's how popular they can get etc. I am not interested in it. I think it's negative thing. If they like to be shocked, I find it not attractive anymore and very cheap. And I don't really care if it's otherway today. I will not change my mind cause of that

[Phantom]

soap, on 29 January 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

I wouldn't call Garou for popular. I've never heard about him if it wasn't for you. So you see without paps many of us will never get to know them.
But there is always exceptions.

someone doesn't have to be an international star, in order to be popular

someone can easily be a celebrity known just in one specific country

for example there are many singers who are very very popular in Greece, but almost nobody knows them out of the country, because they sing in greek

soap, on 29 January 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

Today it's more about how popular you can get. How much you can get in the news. It's not so much about making good music anymore. And there is countless examples for this

I agree in this

nowadays it seems that it doesn't matter how good your music is (or how well you play your role)

it more matters how much you are in the news, and how extreme your style is...

soap, on 29 January 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

But agree with me that today most of the artists are almost known for anything but there music

yes, I agree in that

but I don't like that

it's the music that matters to me

soap, on 29 January 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

As I remember Lady D's driver ran too fast. He shouldn't have done that.

yes, he drove too fast, and he shouldn't have done this

but he ran too fast in order to escape from the paparazzi...

[soap]

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 07:06 PM, said:

That's cause he is not advertised in Denmark so you don't know him. He is also not popular in Latvia. But he is popular in other countries. And also there paps doesn't run after him. As I mentioned before his daughter's pic has never been published no matter if he is popular or not it that country.

Another thing is that there is a big difference between paps in other countries and paps in the USA.
Here in Denmark a lot of stars can walk around freely.

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 07:06 PM, said:

I don't know what's funny about it. But it's the reason why I don't like nowdays music. It's crap and it gets popular just cause singer is shocked or dragged all over tabloids. For me it's about music, for the rest of ppl it's how popular they can get etc. I am not interested in it. I think it's negative thing. If they like to be shocked, I find it not attractive anymore and very cheap. And I don't really care if it's otherway today. I will not change my mind cause of that

Still it will affect you when tabloids talks about them all the time.
It's really hard to separate them today.

[soap]

Phantom, on 29 January 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

someone doesn't have to be an international star, in order to be popular

someone can easily be a celebrity known just in one specific country

for example there are many singers who are very very popular in Greece, but almost nobody knows them out of the country, because they sing in greek

As I replied to Magic. I think there is a big difference between paps in USA and in other countries.
And when you are only popular in one place, then paps might not be so much over you.

Phantom, on 29 January 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

it's the music that matters to me

I don't agree completely in this.
You might want it to look like that. But you are heavily affected by the media too. We all are. It's almost impossible to not be that.
Like this thread. Do you think Britney is one of the best singers?

Phantom, on 29 January 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

yes, he drove too fast, and he shouldn't have done this

but he ran too fast in order to escape from the paparazzi...

There is no excuse here. You can't let other people affect your driving. You need to follow the law no matter who you are.
And this is a good example of what will happen when you choose not to follow laws.
The paps were just doing their jobs. The driver obviously wasn't doing his.

[magic]

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Another thing is that there is a big difference between paps in other countries and paps in the USA.
Here in Denmark a lot of stars can walk around freely.

yes, the same in Latvia but in Latvia they also take pics which celebrity coming out from which celebrity's house in the morning etc. It's also called paps pics. Also celebrities pics walking their children. It's not all so extreem but still it's unpleasant to see yourself in magazine if you have some date. I am not sure how it is in Denmark.

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Still it will affect you when tabloids talks about them all the time.
It's really hard to separate them today.

to separate who from who?

Paps never do anything positive. It either reports some negative stuff or drive ppl crazy (meaning fans crazy or I am sure also celebrities)

[soap]

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 07:41 PM, said:

yes, the same in Latvia but in Latvia they also take pics which celebrity coming out from which celebrity's house in the morning etc. It's also called paps pics. Also celebrities pics walking their children. It's not all so extreem but still it's unpleasant to see yourself in magazine if you have some date. I am not sure how it is in Denmark.

Yes. We also have pics. I couldn't imagine a life without these pics. I think it will be the end of the world.
We do want to know what happens. But where to set the line. We also do want to hear the negative stuff.

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 07:41 PM, said:

to separate who from who?

Music that is popular because it's good and music that is popular because of media and music that's both.

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 07:41 PM, said:

Paps never do anything positive. It either reports some negative stuff or drive ppl crazy (meaning fans crazy or I am sure also celebrities)

I don't agree here.. It is positive when they report something negative and we as fans do like their pics.
It wouldn't be fun without them.
Not saying that they can't be too much.

[magic]

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Yes. We also have pics. I couldn't imagine a life without these pics. I think it will be the end of the world.
We do want to know what happens. But where to set the line. We also do want to hear the negative stuff.

Wow, paps really means a lot to you I could live easily without seeing those pics. It wouldn't definitely be the end of the world. The end of the world would be if music I like would be taken from me if we talks about music.

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I don't agree here.. It is positive when they report something negative and we as fans do like their pics.

How it can be positive to report negative stuff? This is why I am not watching news anymore cause most of the stuff is negative and I don't want to become negative cause of that as well. The news affects us a lot.

I actually don't like paps pics. They are bad quality and/ or celebrities looks usually bad in them. I better like quality photo shootings.

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It wouldn't be fun without them.
Not saying that they can't be too much.

Your life probably is really boring You made be giggle There is more funniest stuff than paps pics. I don't know what's funny about celebrity in car on walking on street lol

[soap]

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 08:42 PM, said:

Wow, paps really means a lot to you I could live easily without seeing those pics. It wouldn't definitely be the end of the world. The end of the world would be if music I like would be taken from me if we talks about music.

It would still be really bad to not know anything about what is happening in the world.

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 08:42 PM, said:

How it can be positive to report negative stuff? This is why I am not watching news anymore cause most of the stuff is negative and I don't want to become negative cause of that as well. The news affects us a lot.

I actually don't like paps pics. They are bad quality and/ or celebrities looks usually bad in them. I better like quality photo shootings.

We want to know what happens. It's not good if we only see the good things. No person is just good.
Why do you think it's not the paps who come to awards and things like that and do great pics too.
It's a stupid decision not to watch news just because of negativity. This is things we really need to know.

magic, on 29 January 2011 - 08:42 PM, said:

Your life probably is really boring You made be giggle There is more funniest stuff than paps pics. I don't know what's funny about celebrity in car on walking on street lol

I see we might categorize paps differently. I take it as tabloids is only paps. All pics in those mags are from paps.

The media means a lot to us. Probably without media you wouldn't know Garou. Probably you wouldn't even know MJ. How would you know about him if there were no news, commercials and all this?

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It would still be really bad to not know anything about what is happening in the world.

How the world is changed by knowing who sleeps with who? Is it really that important? Does it matter to you? I think it's just not our business.

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Why do you think it's not the paps who come to awards and things like that and do great pics too.

I think this is not the situation that Zoi posted a about. Awards are public event. Here we are talking about private life where paps try to get in.

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It's a stupid decision not to watch news just because of negativity. This is things we really need to know.

It's not stupid. Many ppl do that.

I think as paps as the ones hunting celebrities and taking pics from the bushes or getting in private property areas, or running on the street near the celebrity screaming stupid questions and not letting them pass.

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Probably without media you wouldn't know Garou.

Actually I found Garou in YouTube by watching Notre Dame De Paris. I don't consider YouTube as media. In fact I haven't read anything in news about Garou as I don't know French.

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Probably you wouldn't even know MJ. How would you know about him if there were no news, commercials and all this?

We are talking about paps not news and commercials. Well, I am talking about paps. Not all media consists from tabloids and paparazzi.

[soap]

We can agree that there is pics we can live without.
But when celebrities get famous, it's natural to want to know more about them.
If the only thing we would know would be what the celebs wanted to share. Then we would quickly get a twisted view of them.
But yes, there is things we don't need to know. But also things from paps we do want to know.
It's the line that is very hard to set.

Tabloids also gets interviews and other stuff. They are not always just bad.

I just say that there is lots of things and celebs we wouldn't know or hear about if it wasn't for the paps/tabloids.

I know there is many that doesn't follow the news. But I still see it as being stupid to be ignorant to all this.