[Heidi]

IT's only natural that people get offensive. Like you say......everyone has different beliefs. This is not wrong, this is what makes people special and life interesting.

If all the people in the world had just 1 belief they HAD to follow, the world would be very Hitler like....

Fortunately, it's not like that :)


IF you people ask you about the bible, they will get your truth, not THE truth, because the truth is different depending on who you ask :)

For example, please explain to me about Adam and Eve and the whole deal about the beginning of the world, and make me believe this is how the world started....

I bet you, your truth is very different from what I believe is the truth and it's OK :) I will not blame you for believing in your side of the truth - I ONLY want you to respect my belief of the truth.....



This fact, of respecting each other, is the only way to peace between people :)

[magic]

I believe that no one knows the real and only truth. Ppl still are based on their own opinion. Only God knows it. We are too dumb to understand the real truth about things like these. By we, I mean ppl in general as nation. This is why I don't like to talk about things I don't know about. Ppl still research if there are life after death and how it is. We still don't know everything and I doubt we will ever know it. Everything about it is based on our own believes, there are no facts or proof that life after death exist. yes, ppl have seen the light tunel but it doesn't mean anything, it can be on their subconsciousness. My mom was close to death before I was born, she lost a child then. Also she said that she saw some light tunel

In the same time I want to say I do would like to believe the life after death exist. Otherway there is no point to live and die if we can't meet ppl we love after we leave this world. I sure would like to meet my dad some day, and Michael. I sure would like to believe my dad is watching at me and protecting me. I would like to believe Michael is seeing all the love right now. But there are no facts for that. There is just my believe. I believe in it cause it gives me some comfort that in the end I will meet all of them I've lost.

And our believes are based on how we were grown up. Like, you said, you were grown up in church since you were 10 years old. That's why you believe what you were taught to believe. Others were brought to another religion and they believe what they were taught to believe. But it doesn't make it to be wrong. Everyone has their own thing in life :)

I myself believe there is some higher power for sure. Somebody call it Budda, somebody Allah, somebody God. But in general it's all the same cause they all believe in something higher. I am not going to church cause God is everywhere. I don't believe God can be trapped in some house that's why I am not going. I am not praying often but sometimes I am when I feel to.

I have two friends, deep Christians. One has finished Religion college and other still goes to Christian faculty in University. They both has studied all other religions. But hey also accept them. One of those friends are very close friend to me. I have talked with her about other religions and she does not think they are evil. I think that was her who said that God gave ppl a free choice.

wow, I had some long post in there :o


Just out of curiosity, I still have few questions, if I may. You can not reply on any of them if you don't want to as one is pretty personal :) Do you believe in reincarnation? And one of those friends I mentioned before is a big Christian. She has an opinion that you can't have a sex before marriage cause that's how God said, or that's how it was in Bible, I am not sure. What do you think about that?

Also Bible was written by ppl who got message from God to write it, right? If you say that devil can appear in any shape then can't he also pretend to be God and tell human to write a Bible? I am not saying the Bible is bad. I am just curious about the answer.

[magic]

Heidi, on 16 October 2009 - 05:02 AM, said:

IF you people ask you about the bible, they will get your truth, not THE truth, because the truth is different depending on who you ask :)

That is very right. I agree with you. And it's interesting to know what ppl think about certain things in religions as long as they respect what you believe.

It's like with Michael. Sorry, for comparing again. I never try to push ppl into liking Michael. I don't talk how good and talented he is. Cause I don't want ppl to push into something. If they will want it, they will ask about it or they will research by themselves. I think this is why ppl respect me for being fan. We never had fights whether Michael is innocent or not, or about me liking him at all. Although being fan is part, even maybe the most part, of what I am, but I still somehow separate it from ppl who are not interested in it. And I accept it. Because that is my personal taste in music and in personality. Others may have different taste

[Phantom]

Heidi, on 16 October 2009 - 05:02 AM, said:

everyone has different beliefs. This is not wrong, this is what makes people special and life interesting.

If all the people in the world had just 1 belief they HAD to follow, the world would be very Hitler like....

Fortunately, it's not like that :)

I agree with you absolutely :)

magic, on 16 October 2009 - 05:32 AM, said:

Do you believe in reincarnation?

I do :)

magic, on 16 October 2009 - 05:32 AM, said:

And one of those friends I mentioned before is a big Christian. She has an opinion that you can't have a sex before marriage cause that's how God said, or that's how it was in Bible, I am not sure. What do you think about that?

I don't believe that, and I don't see the reason for that :)

naturally, other people might do :flowers

[MonaL]

I don't believe if everyone was Christian, a true Christian it would be like Hitler. He was an anti-christ opposite of Christ-like. I don't agree with other religions because there is only one God and his name is not Budah etc. And Jesus gives life he doesn't take away or lie. Idol worship is worshiping anything other than God and I mean any thing. To worship anything other than God is Idol worship and he said place no Gods before me(Commandments). I know that there is no reincarnation only a glorified body if you are born again. That's not to say other people that weren't born again won't also be there but if you are not one of those people no. God gave you a choice its your choice to make the right one or wrong one. I was brought up in church from birth to 10 not 10 and on.
God made Adam and the creatures then he saw Adam needed a companion so when he slept God took a rib an made Eve(life,life-giving). You should not sleep with other people until marrage. It defiles you and is sin. It is better to give yourself to the one person you were meant to be with forever. You are special and should not defile yourself by giving away your love to just anyone.

[magic]

then who takes the life away? Devil?

And where it was said that you shouldn't sleep before marriage? Is it written in Bible? Sorry, I haven't read the whole book, just some parts.

To say you don't agree with other religion and to say other religions are wrong, is not the same. You have rights to say you don't agree with them, but you can't judge other religions cause you are not God.

You know, recently I bumped into one sentence I loved in the net. "Truth is based on belief, and your beliefs are shaped by knowledge, by what you perceive in the world." This is what I already said that it's based on what you were taught when you were little. It's very easy for children to learn 1 thing and when they are grow up they go with it on their life. It's like languages. There are many languages in the world. You were taught English as I know. But you don't know other languages (meaning they are not your native) and you don't hate other languages as you don't hate other races as well. So why would you hate religions?

If you don't mind then I would like to know what would you sat to my question "If you say that devil can appear in any shape then can't he also pretend to be God and tell human to write a Bible?"

And what kind of Christian you are? Lutheran? Orthodox? Something else and why exactly? My friend were Lutheran all her life but 2-3 years ago she decided to convert into Orthodox.

[Heidi]

MonaL, on 16 October 2009 - 05:10 PM, said:

And Jesus gives life he doesn't take away

Then tell me this, who took away my dad's dad when my dad was just a little boy?

[Heidi]

MonaL, on 16 October 2009 - 05:10 PM, said:

You should not sleep with other people until marrage. It defiles you and is sin.

I'll just take a shower after :)

This post has been edited by Heidi: 16 October 2009 - 07:45 PM

[magic]

Heidi, on 16 October 2009 - 07:39 PM, said:

Then tell me this, who took away my dad's dad when my dad was just a little boy?

And who took my dad away when I was 15? Who took away Michael when his kid's are at so young age? Who took away parents in a car crash when my bf was 3 years old? Who took my dad's parents away when he was found on street during the World War II?

[MonaL]

magic, on 16 October 2009 - 05:49 PM, said:

then who takes the life away? Devil?

And where it was said that you shouldn't sleep before marriage? Is it written in Bible? Sorry, I haven't read the whole book, just some parts.

To say you don't agree with other religion and to say other religions are wrong, is not the same. You have rights to say you don't agree with them, but you can't judge other religions cause you are not God.

You know, recently I bumped into one sentence I loved in the net. "Truth is based on belief, and your beliefs are shaped by knowledge, by what you perceive in the world." This is what I already said that it's based on what you were taught when you were little. It's very easy for children to learn 1 thing and when they are grow up they go with it on their life. It's like languages. There are many languages in the world. You were taught English as I know. But you don't know other languages (meaning they are not your native) and you don't hate other languages as you don't hate other races as well. So why would you hate religions?

If you don't mind then I would like to know what would you sat to my question "If you say that devil can appear in any shape then can't he also pretend to be God and tell human to write a Bible?"

And what kind of Christian you are? Lutheran? Orthodox? Something else and why exactly? My friend were Lutheran all her life but 2-3 years ago she decided to convert into Orthodox.

In the bible its says aman and woman are appointed to marriage. And in another verse says that a man shall not lay with another man.
The devil was here since the beginning just like Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve used to commune; walk with God and talk to him before the devil decieved Eve. So in the Bible it says greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. That refers to everyone which means everyone is able to overcome the devil and sin but without God is most-likely imposible without remission of sin and acceptance of Jesus into your heart. I told you God says to put no gods before him. Not that there are any gods just accepting something or one in his place is exactly that and idol worship.
People die because it is their time sometimes the devil helps to attack people that are a threat. His enemy are people that love God and hate him. God has a purpose for everything and his ways and thoughts are above ours. We can not even understand what or why he does what he does but he does everything for the good

[MonaL]

magic, on 16 October 2009 - 05:49 PM, said:

then who takes the life away? Devil?

And where it was said that you shouldn't sleep before marriage? Is it written in Bible? Sorry, I haven't read the whole book, just some parts.

To say you don't agree with other religion and to say other religions are wrong, is not the same. You have rights to say you don't agree with them, but you can't judge other religions cause you are not God.

You know, recently I bumped into one sentence I loved in the net. "Truth is based on belief, and your beliefs are shaped by knowledge, by what you perceive in the world." This is what I already said that it's based on what you were taught when you were little. It's very easy for children to learn 1 thing and when they are grow up they go with it on their life. It's like languages. There are many languages in the world. You were taught English as I know. But you don't know other languages (meaning they are not your native) and you don't hate other languages as you don't hate other races as well. So why would you hate religions?

Other religions are a lie.
I know people are raised to believe certain things but some people realise what was taught was wrong

If you don't mind then I would like to know what would you sat to my question "If you say that devil can appear in any shape then can't he also pretend to be God and tell human to write a Bible?"

And what kind of Christian you are? Lutheran? Orthodox? Something else and why exactly? My friend were Lutheran all her life but 2-3 years ago she decided to convert into Orthodox.

In the bible its says a man and woman are appointed to marriage. And in another verse says that a man shall not lay with another man.
The devil was here since the beginning just like Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve used to commune; walk with God and talk to him before the devil decieved Eve. So in the Bible it says greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. That refers to everyone which means everyone is able to overcome the devil and sin but without God is most-likely imposible without remission of sin and acceptance of Jesus into your heart. I told you God says to put no gods before him. Not that there are any gods just accepting something or someone in his place is exactly that and idol worship.
People die because it is their time. But sometimes the devil attacks people that are a threat or just to have them die before they accept Christ. The devil knows the promises of God and he doesn't want anyone to know what he gives he's sly and cunning. He wants people to die before they accept Christ he hates you and me because we can hve what he may never have again and that's the promises of God. Which are there for anyone to have but they have to want to be like Christ ie love him, do what pleases him, obey his commandments and repent from sinning. His enemies are people that love God and hate him. God has a purpose for everything and his ways and thoughts are above ours. We can not even understand what or why he does what he does but he does everything for the good. I am a Christian raised in Lutheran faith. Sleeping before marrage is sin.

This post has been edited by MonaL: 17 October 2009 - 05:22 AM

[MonaL]

I know you said I said that the devil can take any form. I am not totally sure but pretty sure. I know he used to be an angel close to God. He used to be in charge of love and music if I'm correct. I know he can in fluence through the mind in evil thoughts and maybe very high absolute possibility he can manipulate people through things in the world that people should say no to. People know when to say no and when they say yes and should not. I am not so sure that the devil can make people write the Bible but he(I don't like to say he it that's what satan is) can manipulate what you think about it. Satan I believe can change the looks man woman,voice. Also, referred to as an angel of light to me that means he can do many things if you are not aware of it. I interpete the Bible. I am an interpeter as stated in the Bible. But many people don't think I am someone credible so I have never said this to anyone. So I know things that are very hard to understand and are almost unbelieveable. So I do not say anything

This post has been edited by MonaL: 17 October 2009 - 06:31 PM

[MonaL]

Heidi, on 16 October 2009 - 05:02 AM, said:

IT's only natural that people get offensive. Like you say......everyone has different beliefs. This is not wrong, this is what makes people special and life interesting.

If all the people in the world had just 1 belief they HAD to follow, the world would be very Hitler like....

Fortunately, it's not like that :)


IF you people ask you about the bible, they will get your truth, not THE truth, because the truth is different depending on who you ask :)

For example, please explain to me about Adam and Eve and the whole deal about the beginning of the world, and make me believe this is how the world started....

Either you believe it or you don't. I don't thinkit was reapectful for you to tell me when you sleep withe someone you just take a shower afterwards. Does it wash your sin away?


I bet you, your truth is very different from what I believe is the truth and it's OK :) I will not blame you for believing in your side of the truth - I ONLY want you to respect my belief of the truth.....

I don't have to respect anyone's truth because a lot of what people say is true is a lie. No, what I say is the truth if you don't agree with it or accept it I don't care that's your stupidity, if you don't believe or even just pretend not to believe. My priority is God and heaven what is your priority? Mine isn't saving the world because if they don't want to be saved they won't be. They will get what they knew is going to happen, plain and simple.


This fact, of respecting each other, is the only way to peace between people :)

Wrong

[magic]

for you it's wrong but for somebody it's right :) the truth is based on personal opinions, believes and experience. As every person has it different, then there is not one truth for everybody.

[witchanna]

Phantom, on 15 October 2009 - 03:10 PM, said:

each person has the right to believe in any religion they want, or to no religion at all :flowers

nobody has the right to tell them that they are wrong, and nobody can claim that they know the whole truth

the truth is different for each person, and since we're only human beings, our opinions are always subjective, nobody, as far as I know, can express their opinion as a general truth

nice thought?
you so right there is no right or wrong believes when comes to different religions
:cutehug

[MonaL]

witchanna, on 09 November 2009 - 08:03 AM, said:

nice thought?
you so right there is no right or wrong believes when comes to different religions
:cutehug

Ther is a right and a wrong why do you say there isn't you know there is a right and a wrong. For example it is wrong for you to tell me I'm wrong if that is your philosophy. Now that is wrong and I have a right to tell you your wrong. Are you telling me your parents have no right to tell you what's right and wrong? Or maybe they never told you what is right and wrong and you took some strangers advice about how there is no right and wrong. Don't tell me I have no right to say something is wrong. God said I have a right are you more important than God? People that worship other Gods are going to hell is that right or wrong? Is it better to tell them they are wrong and save them from hell or let them keep blasphemeing God and go to hell. Truth is everyone wants to be right no matter what when they are wrong because they are stubborn and insist on being right when they are wrong. What a shame many people will be in hell for all eternitiy because they were so smug as to not admit they were wrong.
I told you there is only one right and many wrongs or lies that's a fact!

This post has been edited by MonaL: 09 November 2009 - 04:28 PM

[MonaL]

magic, on 09 November 2009 - 08:02 AM, said:

for you it's wrong but for somebody it's right :) the truth is based on personal opinions, believes and experience. As every person has it different, then there is not one truth for everybody.

And personal opinions tend to be wrong more than right and they are not fact only opinion. The Bible is a fact it has had over 500 prohecys fulfilled. It was written by 44 authors and is saying exactly what is happening right now from Genesis to Revelation right now. It was written over 2000 yrs ago and is the word of God not man. Man wrote it in the spirit of the Holy Ghost. Peoples opinion is mostly wrong especially because they lie and are greedy

[magic]

MonaL, on 09 November 2009 - 04:34 PM, said:

And personal opinions tend to be wrong more than right and they are not fact only opinion. The Bible is a fact it has had over 500 prohecys fulfilled. It was written by 44 authors and is saying exactly what is happening right now from Genesis to Revelation right now. It was written over 2000 yrs ago and is the word of God not man. Man wrote it in the spirit of the Holy Ghost. Peoples opinion is mostly wrong especially because they lie and are greedy

No one wrote a Bible when Adam and Eve lived, no one witnessed that. That is based on believe how the world started.

So you are saying that Katherine, Michael's mom who always stood by Michael, that was described as very loving and caring person, is going to burn in hell? :)

Everybody believes in God, but calls Him different names.

Let's say there are two paintings. One is Picasso and one is traditional. I personally like traditional and I hare Picasso style and I think it's dumb, I don't understand it. But in the same time I don't think the style is wrong or that ppl shouldn't paint that way. My opinion of right and grown is based on my taste, my own opinion and my own believe of what is acceptable.

You are like fell in love person with the pink glasses on eyes not wanting to believe or understand different believes.

[witchanna]

magic, on 10 November 2009 - 12:26 AM, said:

No one wrote a Bible when Adam and Eve lived, no one witnessed that. That is based on believe how the world started.

So you are saying that Katherine, Michael's mom who always stood by Michael, that was described as very loving and caring person, is going to burn in hell? :)

Everybody believes in God, but calls Him different names.

Let's say there are two paintings. One is Picasso and one is traditional. I personally like traditional and I hare Picasso style and I think it's dumb, I don't understand it. But in the same time I don't think the style is wrong or that ppl shouldn't paint that way. My opinion of right and grown is based on my taste, my own opinion and my own believe of what is acceptable.

You are like fell in love person with the pink glasses on eyes not wanting to believe or understand different believes.

now you're cofusing me
persons have a brian and think of whats right or wrong and do things for themself
and there is more to life we all have some kind of faith to believe in
most relgians that i know of say that you go to heaven or hell after you die?
:flowers

[magic]

witchanna, on 10 November 2009 - 01:20 AM, said:

now you're cofusing me
persons have a brian and think of whats right or wrong and do things for themself
and there is more to life we all have some kind of faith to believe in
most relgians that i know of say that you go to heaven or hell after you die?
:flowers

are you sure you wanted to quote my post?

I have the same opinion, everyone can decide their own way and for them it's the right one.