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[magic]

Regarding the drugs etc... Do you think fans now turned back to him and left him? Are you mad? Did you change as a fan? Are you thinking to turn your back to Michael?

Hearing some fans I have this kind of feeling they are turning back to him.

As for me, I was mad for a week or so but it's over. I understand him more. Michael is stronger than many from us considering things he had to go through. You can't judge him if you haven't walked in his shoes. You don't know what would you do if you lived through things that Michael had do. I know I would be dead soon enough. I am not going to turn the back, I am not going to stop being fan. Even more, I will try to keep his legacy. Drugs didn't affect me. I don't care about them.

[sandwaterfall]

I really don't like this situation when are some people who suddenly become a fans after his death and they call themself a fan and even don't know anything about him. That makes me mad. Maybe it is weird.. -___-
But I actually think fans are turning back.
I will write about myself more later. Sorry.

[soap]

And I will not change. As long as there will be new releases I will remain a collector.

Drugs do affect me. It was a stupid choice of his.

[magic]

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I really don't like this situation when are some people who suddenly become a fans after his death and they call themself a fan and even don't know anything about him. That makes me mad. Maybe it is weird.. -___-

I wouldn't say it makes me mad. But I don't like it either. Where were they when he was here?

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But I actually think fans are turning back.

By turning back I mean turning their backs in negative ways. Like saying "He used drugs, he's bad now so I am not a fan anymore". This is what makes me mad. As if suddenly Michael wouldn't have a talent anymore, as suddenly everything he did in his life does not make sense. As if he wouldn't donated his life for others.

And those drugs were not cocaine, marijuana and other those kind of drugs. Those were mostly painkillers. It's not like he was sniffing around with white nose

[magic]

soap, on 07 October 2009 - 05:51 PM, said:

Drugs do affect me. It was a stupid choice of his.

How? Did it change your opinion about Michael?

I've read fans saying they will not watch the movie and God knows what else they will not see or hear just cause he used drugs. How it changes suddenly? Why suddenly Michael became a bad person just cause he couldn't hold the pressure world out on him and just cause he died. It's not that fair. The same fans were screaming for Michael to return to stage. Now they judge him.

[soap]

It's just normal that there will be new fans when there is all this attention to him now.

You shouldn't be mad about people turning the back to him.
This is also normal. They see that he is not the 'angel' they thought he was.
Do you know the saying. You need to help yourself before you can help others...

You can't compare this to cocain. Cocain is almost 'normal' in these lifestyles.
What Michael did is so many times worse. Even the fact that he used corrupt doctors for it is making it worse.

[Sharon007]

He has not lost me as a fan in fact I feel more sorry for him now. I am not angry at Michael I never have been since his death. I am angry at AEG for working him to hard and for trying to say MJ was healthy before he died when clearly he wasn't. I read some stuff from fans who were around him in the months coming up to his death and I trust what they say more then what the media and AEG are telling us.

Also I notice some fans who turned there back on Michael before have regained there fandom. Not too sure if that is a good thing but I suppose it does increase his popularity. At least I can say I was a fan in his life and in his death and that I experienced his concerts.

[magic]

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You can't compare this to cocain. Cocain is almost 'normal' in these lifestyles.

It is not normal for me. The painkillers are more normal. Aspirin also is painkiller. And I use aspirin.

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What Michael did is so many times worse. Even the fact that he used corrupt doctors for it is making it worse.

But Michael is not the only one in there. The doctors are as guilty as Michael.

Sharon007, on 07 October 2009 - 06:46 PM, said:

I read some stuff from fans who were around him in the months coming up to his death and I trust what they say more then what the media and AEG are telling us.

What kind of things?

[soap]

We read so many times about celebs doing cocain that it's almost expected in certain groups.
Painkillers are used too, but not talked about. Painkillers can be innocent, but surely addictive too.
Propofol is not.

I'm sure Michael wasn't part of the group you expected to do drugs.
He seemed so innocent.
I can understand this is a huge shock to many fans.

And no, the doc is not innocent. I don't think he had a proper reason to do this.
But I really don't know yet.

[BabyGirl]

Well, the fact that Michael used this kind of drugs didn`t surprise me. I`ve heard about his addiction in early 90s and I understood that it`s something that he was struggling with for a long time, because he had that type of personality.

I don`t like it, and maybe I can`t take the fact, that drugs had Michael but not contrariwise. And I think that using Propofol was extremely stupid and thoughtless step. And that all is because I don`t wanna let him go!!! But that`s truth about Michael. He still did what he did and was as kind as we saw him, but he had this addiction and he made this stupid decision. That doesn`t make him a bad person. It`s just another truth about him, the only one from plenty of facts that we don`t know about him.

Edited by BabyGirl, 08 October 2009 - 11:48 AM.

[magic]

soap, on 08 October 2009 - 07:18 AM, said:

I can understand this is a huge shock to many fans.

That wasn't a shock to me. As BabyGirl mentioned, we heard him using painkillers before. The shock to me is that he died from drugs.

[soap]

magic, on 08 October 2009 - 01:34 PM, said:

That wasn't a shock to me. As BabyGirl mentioned, we heard him using painkillers before. The shock to me is that he died from drugs.

Painkillers wasn't a shock to me either. But Propofol was.

[magic]

soap, on 08 October 2009 - 02:02 PM, said:

Painkillers wasn't a shock to me either. But Propofol was.

To say the truth for me more shock was that doctor agreed to give it to Michael. Common person may not understand how serious the drug is. Doctor should know it better. Michael still was a child all his life although he also was grown up man but in many things he was a child. And it's not enough for parents to say that matches are dangerous. Parents should not give them to a child the first place.

But maybe I am just wanting to make Michael more innocent as he was. Maybe, if so, then let it me that way. That's my opinion. But in the same time I am also not saying Michael was completely dumb. It was wrong of course. I am just saying that doctor should know it better than patient.

[soap]

It could be the doc should know better. But everybody can be bought.
Of course we don't know for sure if Michael really begged for it or it was the docs choices.
But this didn't shock me.

It's like this for me.
If Michael asked for it, then it's Michaels fault.
If he didn't ask for it and it was the docs idea, then it's the docs fault.

[magic]

But even if Michael asked for it the doc shouldn't have agreed to it. If he agreed then it's more doc's fault.

But I didn't make the thread to find whose fault is it. For me it's still docs fault. As he is the one who was taught to help ppl, who was taught for all the medications and who they are for, not to give them drugs that could kill them.

If he was talked into doing it by money, it doesn't make him less guilty. In my eyes, it just makes them to be more guilty

[Phantom]

no, I will not turn my back to Michael

I am still his fan, and I'll keep on being

maybe some people will accuse him of things, rightly or wrongly

maybe some people will hate him for the choices he did, or for the choices he might have done

but as Lasma said, none of us can know what choices we would do in his place

it's easy to accuse somebody

but it's more nice and more human to try to understand

[Sharon007]

magic, on 07 October 2009 - 10:06 PM, said:

It is not normal for me. The painkillers are more normal. Aspirin also is painkiller. And I use aspirin.


But Michael is not the only one in there. The doctors are as guilty as Michael.



What kind of things?

I read that AEG were putting pressures on Michael and because of that he wasn't eating and at one point Kenny Ortega had to feed him. These fans claim that Michael was anorexic and his jackets wouldn't fit him they were too big. The fans who were around him tried to get him to eat better and look after himself. Theres loads more about this on the This is Not It Campaign website. Check out http://www.this-is-not-it.com/

[magic]

There is so much text to read

But then I have to wonder what means "The fans who were around him tried to get him to eat better and look after himself.". What fans? Ok, I understand they see him time to time, not sure how or where. But how they can try him to eat better or look after him. I think friends like Elizabeth and others can do it. But how fans can get so close to him to look after him. They are not visiting him at home or living with him

[grayshki]

magic, on 07 October 2009 - 06:21 PM, said:

How? Did it change your opinion about Michael?

I've read fans saying they will not watch the movie and God knows what else they will not see or hear just cause he used drugs. How it changes suddenly? Why suddenly Michael became a bad person just cause he couldn't hold the pressure world out on him and just cause he died. It's not that fair. The same fans were screaming for Michael to return to stage. Now they judge him.

Actually, he wasn't taking drugs like painkillers. His body was clean except for the propofol, midazolam and valium the doctor gave him that night. Otherwise, the autopsy did not show any evidence of drug or alcohol abuse.
And I think he now has more fans then ever! People who didn't "know" him well before are now starting to listen to his music and learning about him, and are becoming fans.

[grayshki]

Sharon007, on 08 October 2009 - 06:39 PM, said:

I read that AEG were putting pressures on Michael and because of that he wasn't eating and at one point Kenny Ortega had to feed him. These fans claim that Michael was anorexic and his jackets wouldn't fit him they were too big. The fans who were around him tried to get him to eat better and look after himself. Theres loads more about this on the This is Not It Campaign website. Check out http://www.this-is-not-it.com/

Don't be ready to believe all that's written in that site. First of all he weighed 136 lbs, not 108. And second there were no drugs or alcohol in his body other then what the doctor gave him that night to sleep. His organs were all normal, so evidence that he wasn't abusing any drugs . That site, although I'm sure they mean well, does not give correct information on Michael's condition.
Like Michael himself said: don't believe everything you read, most of it is lies...